I now understand how reality unraveled in 1930s . I could never quite understand how it could happen and now I can see it doing it again in front of my eyes
People believe the lies because they want them to be true. That way, they can say, "See, those Jews are every bit the evil ogres we always said they were."
On behalf of the people of Western Australia, I would like to formally apologise for Ms Susli (who incidentally lives a Jewish neighbourhood). Why we tolerate fifth columnists like her in my country is beyond me. Thanks for calling this out Max
Not quite although the deluded left wing would like to think so.
FYI: Taqiyya (also spelled taqiya, taqiyyah, or tuqyah; Arabic: تقیة) is an Islamic concept referring to precautionary dissimulation or concealment of one’s faith, beliefs, or religious identity when facing imminent danger, persecution, harm, or death. The term derives from the Arabic root w-q-y, meaning “to guard,” “protect,” “be cautious,” or “fear” (in the sense of prudent self-preservation). It is often translated as “prudence,” “guarding against danger,” or “pious circumspection.” 
In essence, it permits a Muslim to outwardly deny or hide their faith (e.g., by words or actions) while inwardly remaining a believer, provided their heart stays firm in faith and the threat is severe (typically fear of death, severe injury, or great harm to oneself or the community). It is not a general license for lying, deception in everyday life, or proactively spreading Islam through falsehoods. Mainstream Islamic teachings emphasize truthfulness as a core virtue, and lying is generally prohibited (with narrow exceptions in specific contexts like war, reconciliation, or spousal harmony in some hadiths). Scholars across traditions stress that taqiyya is defensive and limited, not obligatory in most cases—martyrdom is often viewed as preferable when feasible. 
Differences in Practice
• Shia Islam: Taqiyya is more prominently developed and emphasized due to the historical persecution of Shia minorities by Sunni majorities or non-Muslim rulers. It became a key survival mechanism, sometimes extending to interactions with other Muslims or broader necessary matters under threat. Some Shia sources treat it as a religious duty in the “realm of taqiyya” (hostile environments).
• Sunni Islam: It is recognized but more narrowly applied—typically only under direct compulsion (ikrāh) or extreme duress, mainly with non-Muslims. Sunni scholars often prefer terms like tuqāt or discuss it in tafsir (Quranic exegesis) rather than as a standalone doctrine. Many Sunnis view expansive uses (especially by some Shia) as excessive or bordering on hypocrisy.
The word “taqiyya” itself does not appear in the Quran or hadith collections. It is a later interpretive term drawn from Quranic language and early incidents. 
Quranic References
Two verses are most commonly cited as the basis for the concept:
1. Quran 3:28 (Surah Al-Imran): “Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution (tattaqū minhum tuqātan) against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.” 
• The key phrase uses forms of the same root as “taqiyya” (tattaqū / tuqātan), meaning to guard or take precaution out of fear. Classical tafsirs (e.g., by al-Tabari and Ibn Kathir) explain this as allowing outward friendliness or alliance with non-Muslims when Muslims are under their authority and fear harm, while inwardly maintaining faith and loyalty to believers. It does not permit full-hearted friendship or alliance otherwise. Some commentators extend it to outward behavior to avoid danger, but stress inner faith remains unchanged. 
2. Quran 16:106 (Surah An-Nahl): “Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief… except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment.” 
• This verse explicitly provides an exception for someone compelled (e.g., under torture) to utter words of disbelief, as long as their heart remains firm in faith. It was revealed in connection with the early Muslim Ammar ibn Yasir (or his parents), who faced severe persecution in Mecca. Ammar was tortured and forced to recant outwardly; the Prophet Muhammad reportedly consoled him, affirming his inner faith and allowing repetition if needed. Tafsirs clarify this pardons the compelled person but does not encourage voluntary denial—martyrdom or migration is ideal. 
Other verses sometimes referenced in discussions include 40:28 (a believer from Pharaoh’s people concealing faith) and general warnings against hypocrisy or allying with disbelievers (e.g., 4:139, 5:51), but these are contextual.
Hadith References
There is no direct hadith using the term “taqiyya,” but related narrations support the principle in limited cases:
• The incident of Ammar ibn Yasir: The Prophet (peace be upon him) wiped his tears and said that if the persecutors returned, Ammar could repeat the words (denouncing Islam outwardly) while his heart remained faithful. This is mentioned in commentaries on Sahih al-Bukhari and other sources. 
• Broader hadiths on lying: The Prophet stated that a true believer (mu’min) cannot be a habitual liar (e.g., in Muwatta Malik: “Can the believer be a liar? He said: ‘No.’”). Lying is condemned as leading to vice and Hellfire, with truthfulness praised as leading to Paradise. Exceptions for deception exist in war (ḥarb), reconciling people, or between spouses in some narrations (e.g., Sahih Muslim), but these are distinct from taqiyya. 
Scholars like those in Fath al-Bari (commentary on Bukhari) link these to self-preservation under duress, not routine deceit.
Important Context and Limitations
• Scope: Classical jurists (across Sunni and Shia schools) generally limit it to cases of unavoidable severe harm (death, mutilation, etc.), not minor inconvenience, social pressure, or convenience. It is not for proselytizing, business, or politics in normal circumstances. God knows the heart’s true state (as emphasized in 3:28 and 16:106).
• Critiques and Misuse: Critics (including some Muslims) argue that expansive interpretations—especially in Shia sources or modern polemics—can blur into hypocrisy or justify broader deception. Conversely, some Muslim apologists note that the concept is often exaggerated in anti-Islam discourse as a “doctrine of lying to spread Islam,” which misrepresents its defensive, exceptional nature. Historical persecution (e.g., of early Muslims or Shia) shaped its development.
• Consensus: Truthfulness is a fundamental Islamic ethic (Quran 9:119, 33:70; hadiths praising the truthful). Taqiyya is an exception born of necessity, akin to self-defense rulings in many legal tradition
And then we have how it works in practice in a world suffering under the yoke of ever more ‘Islamism’ promoted by over confident, under educated Muslims.
I am aware of islamic lying techniques; we have a muslim mayor in London. I realise they hijack anything they can to make themselves a victim or acceptable to us.
What I cannot stand are the people that fall for their lies.
I have a question. I am a pro Israel and pro Zionist non Jew btw. Remember that story about Israeli snipers shooting little kids in their heads and doctors in the NY times saying they saw all those injuries and then scans published? what was that about? I was a skeptic of that story even when they had follow up with more info due to the fact that….why would anyone bother to do this? was it one serial killing soldier gone rogue? was it a fake out? i never saw more follow up to this story or more rebuttal. What do you know about this story?
I now understand how reality unraveled in 1930s . I could never quite understand how it could happen and now I can see it doing it again in front of my eyes
The Islamophilic far left love Islam because they think it's the only force that can stand up to Zionism, White supremacy, and Western imperialism.
The Islamophilic far right love Islam because they think it's the only force that can stand up to global Jewry, feminism, and wokeism.
It's like how far right and far left love Russia even though Russia has stuff going on that clashes with their claimed ideologies.
Horseshoe theory.
People believe the lies because they want them to be true. That way, they can say, "See, those Jews are every bit the evil ogres we always said they were."
There are people who need to hate. They need to feel justified in that hate. That justification need not be true.
True, unfortunately
Confirmation bias.
On behalf of the people of Western Australia, I would like to formally apologise for Ms Susli (who incidentally lives a Jewish neighbourhood). Why we tolerate fifth columnists like her in my country is beyond me. Thanks for calling this out Max
The same people who get outraged when they think Jews are responsible no longer care when they find out otherwise.
And Islam explicitly endorses strategic lying.
It’s called ‘taqqiya’.
Made up by right wing liars, cannot actually be found in Islamic teachings.
Not quite although the deluded left wing would like to think so.
FYI: Taqiyya (also spelled taqiya, taqiyyah, or tuqyah; Arabic: تقیة) is an Islamic concept referring to precautionary dissimulation or concealment of one’s faith, beliefs, or religious identity when facing imminent danger, persecution, harm, or death. The term derives from the Arabic root w-q-y, meaning “to guard,” “protect,” “be cautious,” or “fear” (in the sense of prudent self-preservation). It is often translated as “prudence,” “guarding against danger,” or “pious circumspection.” 
In essence, it permits a Muslim to outwardly deny or hide their faith (e.g., by words or actions) while inwardly remaining a believer, provided their heart stays firm in faith and the threat is severe (typically fear of death, severe injury, or great harm to oneself or the community). It is not a general license for lying, deception in everyday life, or proactively spreading Islam through falsehoods. Mainstream Islamic teachings emphasize truthfulness as a core virtue, and lying is generally prohibited (with narrow exceptions in specific contexts like war, reconciliation, or spousal harmony in some hadiths). Scholars across traditions stress that taqiyya is defensive and limited, not obligatory in most cases—martyrdom is often viewed as preferable when feasible. 
Differences in Practice
• Shia Islam: Taqiyya is more prominently developed and emphasized due to the historical persecution of Shia minorities by Sunni majorities or non-Muslim rulers. It became a key survival mechanism, sometimes extending to interactions with other Muslims or broader necessary matters under threat. Some Shia sources treat it as a religious duty in the “realm of taqiyya” (hostile environments).
• Sunni Islam: It is recognized but more narrowly applied—typically only under direct compulsion (ikrāh) or extreme duress, mainly with non-Muslims. Sunni scholars often prefer terms like tuqāt or discuss it in tafsir (Quranic exegesis) rather than as a standalone doctrine. Many Sunnis view expansive uses (especially by some Shia) as excessive or bordering on hypocrisy.
The word “taqiyya” itself does not appear in the Quran or hadith collections. It is a later interpretive term drawn from Quranic language and early incidents. 
Quranic References
Two verses are most commonly cited as the basis for the concept:
1. Quran 3:28 (Surah Al-Imran): “Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution (tattaqū minhum tuqātan) against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.” 
• The key phrase uses forms of the same root as “taqiyya” (tattaqū / tuqātan), meaning to guard or take precaution out of fear. Classical tafsirs (e.g., by al-Tabari and Ibn Kathir) explain this as allowing outward friendliness or alliance with non-Muslims when Muslims are under their authority and fear harm, while inwardly maintaining faith and loyalty to believers. It does not permit full-hearted friendship or alliance otherwise. Some commentators extend it to outward behavior to avoid danger, but stress inner faith remains unchanged. 
2. Quran 16:106 (Surah An-Nahl): “Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief… except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment.” 
• This verse explicitly provides an exception for someone compelled (e.g., under torture) to utter words of disbelief, as long as their heart remains firm in faith. It was revealed in connection with the early Muslim Ammar ibn Yasir (or his parents), who faced severe persecution in Mecca. Ammar was tortured and forced to recant outwardly; the Prophet Muhammad reportedly consoled him, affirming his inner faith and allowing repetition if needed. Tafsirs clarify this pardons the compelled person but does not encourage voluntary denial—martyrdom or migration is ideal. 
Other verses sometimes referenced in discussions include 40:28 (a believer from Pharaoh’s people concealing faith) and general warnings against hypocrisy or allying with disbelievers (e.g., 4:139, 5:51), but these are contextual.
Hadith References
There is no direct hadith using the term “taqiyya,” but related narrations support the principle in limited cases:
• The incident of Ammar ibn Yasir: The Prophet (peace be upon him) wiped his tears and said that if the persecutors returned, Ammar could repeat the words (denouncing Islam outwardly) while his heart remained faithful. This is mentioned in commentaries on Sahih al-Bukhari and other sources. 
• Broader hadiths on lying: The Prophet stated that a true believer (mu’min) cannot be a habitual liar (e.g., in Muwatta Malik: “Can the believer be a liar? He said: ‘No.’”). Lying is condemned as leading to vice and Hellfire, with truthfulness praised as leading to Paradise. Exceptions for deception exist in war (ḥarb), reconciling people, or between spouses in some narrations (e.g., Sahih Muslim), but these are distinct from taqiyya. 
Scholars like those in Fath al-Bari (commentary on Bukhari) link these to self-preservation under duress, not routine deceit.
Important Context and Limitations
• Scope: Classical jurists (across Sunni and Shia schools) generally limit it to cases of unavoidable severe harm (death, mutilation, etc.), not minor inconvenience, social pressure, or convenience. It is not for proselytizing, business, or politics in normal circumstances. God knows the heart’s true state (as emphasized in 3:28 and 16:106).
• Critiques and Misuse: Critics (including some Muslims) argue that expansive interpretations—especially in Shia sources or modern polemics—can blur into hypocrisy or justify broader deception. Conversely, some Muslim apologists note that the concept is often exaggerated in anti-Islam discourse as a “doctrine of lying to spread Islam,” which misrepresents its defensive, exceptional nature. Historical persecution (e.g., of early Muslims or Shia) shaped its development.
• Consensus: Truthfulness is a fundamental Islamic ethic (Quran 9:119, 33:70; hadiths praising the truthful). Taqiyya is an exception born of necessity, akin to self-defense rulings in many legal tradition
And then we have how it works in practice in a world suffering under the yoke of ever more ‘Islamism’ promoted by over confident, under educated Muslims.
I am aware of islamic lying techniques; we have a muslim mayor in London. I realise they hijack anything they can to make themselves a victim or acceptable to us.
What I cannot stand are the people that fall for their lies.
Did this post get community notes? Was it reported as a lie?
My catchphrase: Just another day living in the Transvestite Jihad on Planet Psychopath.
I have a question. I am a pro Israel and pro Zionist non Jew btw. Remember that story about Israeli snipers shooting little kids in their heads and doctors in the NY times saying they saw all those injuries and then scans published? what was that about? I was a skeptic of that story even when they had follow up with more info due to the fact that….why would anyone bother to do this? was it one serial killing soldier gone rogue? was it a fake out? i never saw more follow up to this story or more rebuttal. What do you know about this story?
The IDF: steals scooters.
IDF soldier: ERM ACTUALLY the Palestinians stole the scooters first.
Max: Ok, I believe you.